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Ridiculous! [21 Hivvem 4261]

Esory and Irigatur and I were discussing Thelvion's spiritual difficulties, over kathia and cheese scones after Enchantment. Three intermediate-year students can, of course, solve all technical difficulties with the afterlife. We decided that:

  1. It is ridiculously unlikely for the gods to accidentally get a spirit from one species reincarnated as another. Two of them would have to make substantial, concordant errors at the same time.
  2. It is not preposterous that two gods could collude on switching a spirit around, but most likely they would do it to put a spirit in a more appropriate body rather than a less.
  3. Gormoror might get reincarnated as Cani or Khtsoyis, or vice-versa. This does not apply to Thelvion.
  4. Another possibility is a shifter hybrid. Shifter hybrids are the product of a ritual spell of potential interest to traff-folk: one which allows two (or so) people of different species to have a fertile union. The product of the union will be wrong: it will switch back and forth between the parents' species every few hours. Presumably it has a spirit from one of the two species. Presumably the spirit is compatible with the other. Perhaps, if it dies in the wrong species, it might go to the wrong creator god. Perhaps it will be treated that way. That way any species could get reincarnated as any other. But only a very few people would do so -- shifter hybrids are exceedingly rare. Such people would be interesting, and that more or less excludes Thelvion.
  5. Irigatur is cute but unavailable, and somewhat flustered to be outnumbered by out-and-out transaffectionates.

"So he's surely a Rassimel spirit in a Rassimel body," said I.

Esory:"The way you're a Zi Ri spirit in a Zi Ri body?"

Me:"Um ... yes?"

Esory:"The way Noble Honey was an Orren spirit in an Orren body?"

Me:The Blush! (Which, of course, is done by hiding my head under my left wing.)

Irigatur:"What?"

So Esory had to explain my shapeshifting strategems to Irigatur. He was at least as embarrassed as I was. Doomfully cute.

Me:"Well, sure, someone could be wearing Cloak of Another God. But if he were casting that, wouldn't he already look Herethroy?"

Esory:"Well, you're the one taking that advanced class in analyzing spells. What's your opinion? A fur-styling spell, like yours? But his fur is so boring."

Me:"My opinion of what?"

Esory:"The Mutoc Corpador spell he always wears. I couldn't tell much about it, but you've been studying that."

I had, of course, not noticed that he had one. The Eye of Mimizan and Mirizan had, of course, noticed it.

Me:"It's awfully complicated, and permanant, and rather obscured. I wonder what it could be?"

Esory:"Shall we ask him?"

Me:"If this turns into an adventure, I shall not be pleased. It's nendrai day, and that's more than enough adventures for me."

Esory:"Well, it is Thelvion. It won't be much of an adventure, I'm sure."

Date: 2006-05-23 02:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brynndragon.livejournal.com
You know, your life would be ever so much easier if you actively enjoyed doom.

Date: 2006-05-23 03:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] justicezero.livejournal.com
On the bright side, at least this time it isn't you who is making the comment of invitation of certain complication.

Re: "It won't be much of an adventure, I'm sure"

Date: 2006-05-23 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sythyry.livejournal.com
Well, more or less that. I will admit you didn't sound entirely confident.

Re: "It won't be much of an adventure, I'm sure"

Date: 2006-05-23 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terrycloth.livejournal.com
Admit it -- you're hoping it's an adventure.

Date: 2006-05-23 04:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vernononfm.livejournal.com
Yes, this certainly /will/ be an adventure. I suggest hiding the Eye, if you want to stop having such adventures. Only take it with you when you see Vae. Otherwise, you may end up having to get used to them.

On a side note, this is likely going to be a double helping of Doom, in my opinion, due to the.. Incident at the traff club meeting.

Date: 2006-05-23 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentrabbit.livejournal.com
It won't be much of an adventure, I'm sure.

Surely, the very Incantation of The Doom, this is, and no hitherto about it.

(Addictive Vae thinking the I am, and it is!)

Date: 2006-05-23 05:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmsword.livejournal.com
Theory: Thelvion was born as a Herethory, as a both female. Parents decided, instead of having their child (and themselves) the same issues in life that the esteemed Dustweed has, they placed, or paid to have placed, an awufuly complicated and permanant, rather obscured spell on their child to make them a permanant, very uniteresting Cani, then convinced a Cani family to take the child in and raise them as such.

Date: 2006-05-23 06:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terrycloth.livejournal.com
Theory: Thelvion is a bonstable, and hasn't come into his powers yet. }:P

Date: 2006-05-25 02:47 am (UTC)
zeeth_kyrah: A glowing white and blue anthropomorphic horse stands before a pink and blue sky. (Default)
From: [personal profile] zeeth_kyrah
There it is, "bonstable", the one word I can't understand from context. If only I had a copy of that guide that everyone around here seems to have read.

Date: 2006-05-25 04:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terrycloth.livejournal.com
They're monsters, expert shapechangers who masquerade as and mate with primes, with the kids being bonstables. I don't know enough about their lifecycle to know when the kids find out they're really monsters.

Date: 2006-06-01 11:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] waywind.livejournal.com
From the book, I had assumed that bonstables would be born looking like bonstables, rather than their prime parent, and they'd run off somewhere on their own immediately.

It probably would make more survival-of-the-species sense if bonstables didn't give themselves away immediately like that, since it would give away that one of their parents was a bonstable as well, and would mean spending their infancy alone, or at best cared for only by their one bonstable parent. It would be pretty interesting if bonstables spent their youth in a prime form entirely without awareness of being otherwise, not even lying to themselves. It'd mean their bonstable parent could still slink around without giving up a prime persona, if they wanted to keep a single prime persona for so many years, and it would mean the child would be brought up in better conditions than most monsters... and the bonstable kid would gain some character with an identity crisis, and then wrapping up and concealing the crisis in bonstable-style deceit. Hmm... very interesting.

I really don't think Thelvion is a bonstable. If he was one, he wouldn't have given himself away by questioning his species to other people in such an odd way... wondering if he's really some other species is such an obvious giveaway that it goes to the opposite extreme and makes it look like something a bonstable would never do. Then again, maybe a bonstable would question his species aloud exactly for that reason, so... ... ... my head hurts. This is the kind of complex deception that's so frustrating about bonstables, I'm sure.

Date: 2006-05-25 11:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sythyry.livejournal.com
OOC: You can buy one from us!

Date: 2006-05-23 06:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yotogi.livejournal.com
One more time, please: How exactly is the Eye's name spelled again?

Date: 2006-05-24 02:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yotogi.livejournal.com
I'm sure that's not it. This Eye doesn't make me collapse into laughter.

Date: 2006-05-24 11:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sythyry.livejournal.com
I think it's spelled "T-R-O-U-B-L-E"

Date: 2006-05-25 01:02 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
It makes me collapse in the doom! Twice, so far.

Date: 2006-05-24 11:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sythyry.livejournal.com
It's spelled M-Y-T-R-A-N-S-L-A-T-O-R-I-S-A-N-I-D-I-O-T

Date: 2006-05-25 08:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yotogi.livejournal.com
That's what I thought.

Date: 2006-05-23 09:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melskunk.livejournal.com
I hope he's a 5 armed purple Gormoror , the way you all seem to underestimate the poor lad:)

Date: 2006-05-24 01:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sythyry.livejournal.com
Well, we're all very respectful of him. He's a bit tedious, is all. Several bits, even.

Date: 2006-05-23 10:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sianmink.livejournal.com
Esory:"Well, it is Thelvion. It won't be much of an adventure, I'm sure."

Esory may have a skewed sense of adventure and a dampened perception of The Doom.

Date: 2006-05-24 01:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cattitude.livejournal.com
2. It is not preposterous that two gods could collude on switching a spirit around, but most likely they would do it to put a spirit in a more appropriate body rather than a less.

Wow. The gods in our universe have much more sophisticated senses of humor than that. By all accounts, anyone who catches their interest is likely to wind up in a legendarily inappropriate body shape in this life; there's no telling what might happen in the next.

Date: 2006-05-26 11:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chipuni.livejournal.com
Oh, I don't know of too many gods putting people in inappropriate bodies...

Now, for what the bodies are appropriate are quite different than what the wearers of the bodies thought they were to be used...

(I am a fan of The Golden Ass.)

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