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[sythyry]

A Discourse on the Nature of True if Wholly Perverted Love [13 Hispis 6]

Chelinet:"Moria seduced me with brandy and spiced butter ... what? five weeks ago now? Six?"

Me:"I wouldn't know."

Chelinet:"Well, I'm glad it didn't make the Howling Horn of Hressh-Huu! Anyways. I'm not really of a rank to take an other-species lover. I mean, my parents are important servants in the Ducal palace, and people like us get taken as lovers by nobles when they want ... I mean, now and then. Moria's the right rank, she's been an Esquire since she was three or something. Her father's a, you know, lord. They have apartments in the ducal palace ... they mostly live at their own home, but sometimes they're in the palace. It's not the first time she's seduced me." She started twisting her tailtip and wincing.

Me:"You don't need to be so embarrassed. I, too, am in Across Saga. "

Chelinet:"... what?"

Me:"That's the traff cafe downtown. I sometimes go there a lot. I mean, I'm traff, everyone knows I'm traff, the duke has teased me about it, and I like mammals which is a lot more shameful than a mammal liking a mammal. And lots of my friends are traff -- like a Cani who lives with her Sleeth boyfriend. I don't think there's anything you're going to say that will shock or bother me much."

Chelinet:"Well. We've had an on-again off-again affair for, I don't know, since we were sixteen or eighteen. She'd drag me into a linen closet or something and ... do things that don't shock or bother you too much ... about maybe every month or two. Like about three days running. Then Lord Eddarna would Begin To Suspect and she'd go out and get a Rassimel boyfriend and within a week do something that made Eddarna demand that she dump him. She usually did."

Me:"Usually?"

Chelinet:"She fell in love once and stayed with her boy for, what? four years, I think. She did cheat on him with me once in a while, about every three months, not that I was really counting."

Me:"So she's your secret childhood sweetheart?"

Chelinet:"No ... That's Riverweasel. I married him last year, we got divorced a few months later. Moria picked me up right after he dropped me."

Me:"That still sounds rather sweet. It sounds as if she was waiting for you, from that."

Chelinet:"She says she wasn't. She says that she was just putting me in my place ... I'm going to be higher-class than my parents. Not noble, but a Vheshrame Academy degree counts for a lot in the palace. So she said that she was making a point that she could have me whenever she wanted."

Note for monsters: Yes, the rich, noble, and powerful can often seduce the not so rich, not so noble, and not so powerful. For that matter, the pretty, smart, or athletic can often seduce the not so pretty, not so smart, or not so athletic. This is Perfectly Normal and Nothing To Be Worried About. An esquire certainly can't "have a [medium-status commoner] whenever she wanted." I'm an esquire too, and you know how much trouble I have getting dates.

Me:"Can she?"

Chelinet:"Apparently so. Now she doesn't even need a linen closet to hide me in."

Me:"Does she?"

Chelinet:"Three times on good weeks, two on less good ones. Plus she's been over for dinner and studying quite often without, um, that."

Me:"What about in public?"

Chelinet:"She's friendly, she's polite. She's not grabby or anything."

[Poll #1121965]

Comments

[gavinfox.livejournal.com]

What I would say to Chelinet: Yes, I believe you are Traff, but I dont think Moria is in love with you -- she seems to be using you, and you need to decide what you really want out of a relationship. Try and find someone who can love and be with you for you, while exploring your traff side!

[brynndragon.livejournal.com]

The love piece concerns me only a little. I'm more concerned about Chelinet's mental state - I suspect (but am not certain) she'd be better off if she wrapped her head around being at least a little traff (is there a term for people who like their own species and other species as well? That might apply here). She might also be well off to figure that Moria either can't wrap her head around being traff or can't wrap her head around treating someone below-rank as a person regardless of what she feels about said lesser (I'm voting for the later myself, although both is definitely in the running) and if she can deal with that. She probably can, since she has for so long, but acknowledging such things can shift that balance.

Or you can grab some snacks and watch. Either way, really. There's also the sneaky thing to do, namely wait for a negative turn to their relationship-thingie and use it as an opportunity to try to seduce her yourself, but I get the feeling you'd be as bad at such a set-up as I am (must be a young non-mammal thing).

[bikerwalla.livejournal.com]

If you seize the Rassimel, she'll struggle to get away!

[psaakyrn.livejournal.com]

In my opinion:

The current definition of traff seems to apply more to lust than love, at least for Sythyry's case. (Considering that zie tends to think of forming relationships before knowing the other party well, other than the Orren factor.)

Chelinet's case seems different, in that her relationship with Moria doesn't stray across to other members of the different prime catagory. Without input from Moria for the other point of view, it's hard to say for Moria's case, but Chelinet seems to love Moria for who she is other than Prime catagory.

[psaakyrn.livejournal.com]

Also, for some reason I'm putting female pronouns on everyone, corrected myself on zie's gender in post after typing, but not in poll. :x (poll answer should say zie, and my above post should read "...in that his relationship with Moria...")

[sythyry.livejournal.com]

Well, you *should* use a Rassimel pronoun for Moria, an Orren pronoun for Chelinet, and ... well, usually I get a Zi Ri pronoun, but I suppose that under the circumstances you could give me an Orren one too. But my translator devoutly refuses to use proper pronouns, so I suppose you might as well use ones based on gender if you like. Or on style of cummerbund, if your native language uses those instead.

[OOC: I apologize for Sythyry being rude. Zie does that now and then. -bb]

[kensan-oni.livejournal.com]

I is confused. Without inflectional tones and tail and ear flicks, I can't tell how she feels about the conversation she is just having... so I am going to have to give best guesses.

I don't know if Chelly is Traff of not. There is a possibility, but it might be just pressure from outside that is making her do it.

None the less, Moria is defiantly taking advantage of her, and weither or not Chelly is traff is beyond the point. She should either get out, or find a way to use this to her advantage if she can't get out.

Ga, this could become messy in a Ven way. (In Ven, Romance and Revenge are the same word.)

[calamitous-cani.livejournal.com]

[What pronouns should they then be using, O grammatarian lizard? Your translator steadfastly converts them to humanish equivalences, of which there are only the two.]

[sythyry.livejournal.com]

[Bard whiffles. "Sythyry did say. We could use "ce/cim/cis" for Cani, "ge/gim/gis" for Gormoror, etc, if you like; ze for Sythyry, oe for the Orren, re for the Rassimel. This reads terribly -- 'specially for Herethroy, who look male -- so I translate to English when I'm translating to English.]

[calamitous-cani.livejournal.com]

This is a relationship that is advantageous to Chelinet, is it not? Particularly if Moria were to demonstrate loyalty to her.. But I suppose Rassimel are not known for loyalty as much as obsession, so that would have to do. Much easier if Moria were Cani, I would think.

Moria does seem to be drawn to Chelinet in particular for some reason. Chelinet to Moria? Not so much.

But it would hardly be the first time someone were to enter into a marriage or other binding relationship for reasons other than fickle lusts; I would do very well to desire more than half of any wives and husbands I might someday acquire in that fashion. Probably I will end up having some people in my family for purely political and economic reasons, just like my family did. Some of my ?fathers and ?mothers (hard to translate, have you a better choice of words for this I have somehow missed?) liked them, at least.

Chelinet is not traff - a particular perversion I will admit to being disinterested in at the least - and Moria's status in that regard is more uncertain. Bind Moria with agreements and loyalties for the sake of Chelinet's stature while Moria's sensibilities are such twisted. (species pronouns translated to proper names) If Moria refuses to negotiate for a more conclusive agreement, than Moria is simply libertine, and nothing of consequence has been lost, as nothing of consequence existed before.

[calamitous-cani.livejournal.com]

[Perhaps E for hErethroy, then. Ee, Eim, Eis, Eir, Eir, Eirs, Ece, Ecim, Ecos... no, that last sounds more clumsy than a dazed and blinded Khtsoyis, and needs work ... Duly noted!]